Epson 3800 cheaper than 2400?

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Epson 3800 cheaper than 2400?

Postby Kent Chris » Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:45 pm

Epson 3800 approximately £760 including vat (after£150 promo cashback) for printer and 720ml of ink (£288 or £0.40/ml ).
Epson 2400 approximately £440 for printer and 117ml of ink (£90 or £0.76/ml).
The cost of a 2400 with 720ml of ink £440 plus (603ml x £0.76 = £458)= £898.
It's also scary with an Epson 1400 price £200 with 66ml ink (£60 or £0.91/ml). Epson 1400 with 720ml of ink £200 plus (654 x £0.91= £595)= £795.

As we all probably know, just like a number of other products it isn't the cost of the product so much as the running cost that we need to be aware of.

I have used an Epson 1290 for colour using dedicated profiles and Epson ink and paper for many years, Never any problems and I have been happy with the output, plenty of A3, but longevity is an issue.

I often thought I wanted to lower printing costs but Epson ink for the 1290 works out to "only" £0.46/ml.

Reading the forums has sown a lot of seeds of concern about these printers and the 3800 bigger brother in view of the countless posts of "lost ink" and failed or suspect units.

And with Epson announcing the upgraded Pro range with new magents ink that rather puts the dampers on the 2400 and 3800, yes they will continue to print well but I would rather not buy into something at the end of its lifecycle.

The HP9180 looked good, closed loop calibration, stowed paper trays etc but the number of failed units mentioned in the forums and the ink wastage that has been reported for all these printers has seen me hold back.

I know I'm probably a boring old fart but I guess it's plug on with the 1290 and use the Pro Labs for work that is to be displayed. Alternatively I just say sod it, buy a new printer and get on with life, cos it is for living.
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Postby Kevgermany » Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:22 pm

Life's for living!!

Not sure if ink use per page is the same between the 1290s and the newer pigment jobs. This would affect your calculations.

Try getting a sample print from epson on the printer's you're considering, you may be surprised by how far they've come.

I think the whole issue about ink swapping is overplayed (& I'm a victim on my 2100, which I have no intention of replacing).

You'll probably find the newer printers a lot faster as well, but I cold be wrong. In any case the increase in print life is really worth it. Prints on my old 750photo are badly faded, prints on the 2100 that I've had for over 3 years show no sign of fading. :lol:
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Postby Kent Chris » Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:14 pm

Thanks Kev, I shall try and get some prints, probably have to go up to London to find someone with these printers.

I still find it interesting that this cost of lifetime ownership issue doesn't get raised in reviews. If it was thought about I think the reviewers would be advocating the cost of the more expensive printers simply because they work out cheaper in a very short time.
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Postby DavidW » Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:35 pm

In this post I did a very rough set of calculations to figure out the volume you needed to be printing for a 3800 to make financial sense. Obviously the figures have changed since I did that (it was only rough and ready - I don't have a spreadsheet to hand to update it). Nevertheless, I'd be surprised if the conclusions have shifted much. I calculated that you need to be printing about 600 pretty much full coverage A4 pages a year for a 3800 to make sense compared to a B9180. Less than that, and across the typical life of a printer you won't make up the extra cost - also you're in the 'danger zone' of partially used ink cartridges going out of date.

The ink has a finite life, particularly when opened. If you find yourself throwing away part used cartridges, that wipes out the advantages of larger cartridges.


I agree that 'whole life' costs matter - but the problem is that they're impossible to quantify precisely. Everyone's precise pattern of printing is different, with variables such as cleaning cycles, the use of different papers and, most importantly, different subject material, there's no meaningful way to compare.



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Postby Kevgermany » Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:36 pm

You used to be able to order the sample prints from the web site...
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Re: Epson 3800 cheaper than 2400?

Postby umer147 » Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:10 am

Apart from the other benefits you have already mentioned, you would find both the 2400 & 3800 much faster than a 1290.
As to ink life, with three of the original 3800 cartridges I am at 10 months and counting...
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