FUji Xpro1 discussion

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The XF 18mm lens

Postby RobertF » Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:42 pm

In a previous post I said that I was a bit disappointed by this lens compared to the 35mm
This afternoon I started to retest in but in RAW using DNG converter 7.1 with compatibility to my ACR 6.7
This has completely changed my opinion, it gives me alot of small details that completely disapear inthe large JPEG
It's clear that with a 18mm, leaves are small and you do need a very big file to keep all the details and eventually produce a crisp image
I also get less CA in the RAW file which surprises me

All in all the DNG 7.1 works very well to give me files that I can process without any problem in ACR6.7 CS5

Hurrah! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: FUji Xpro1 discussion

Postby gcrogers » Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:33 am

Thank you Robert and Larry for the additional information and updates. I am following with great interest.
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Re: FUji Xpro1 discussion RAW with RAW THERAPEE

Postby RobertF » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:42 pm

I have opened the DNG files with the freeware RAW Therapee 4.0.9
The results are very good probably a bit more natural than with ACR
The UI is LR looking, but with probably too many settings .... leading to complexity
But it's free and very good so worth a glance however

I received tonight the small Fuji flash EF-20 (not the EFX), and found excellent ; again these Fuji X show a kind of ideal metering with the flash (my X100 and X Pro1)

Still waiting for the 60mm :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: Larry had more luck!
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Re: FUji Xpro1 discussion

Postby RobertF » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:12 pm

The debate about the AF ability of X100 and Pro1 is amazing : these are cameras with which I get 98% of razor sharp shoots whichis, and by far, not the case with the Canon.
But people are still chattering...
Thx Larry for sharing

BTW Larry how would you state the 60mmAF as compared to the 35mm Thx
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Re: FUji Xpro1 discussion

Postby RobertF » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:10 pm

Thx Larry
Still waiting for the 60mm
Will report as soon as I had practiced with it!
For the moment very pleased with the 35mm and the 18mm
For landscape with the 18mm it's better to shoot RAW to sueeze all the juice from the files.
I think that as you emphasized anticipation is a key point in photography, and this is also a reason why my shoots with X100/X Pro are better.. :lol:
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Re: FUji Xpro1 discussion

Postby RobertF » Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:15 pm

I received the 60mm yesterday, will use it on sunday when the weather is supposed to improve....
It's surprisingly small and light
In terms of AF which as been a huge global debate, I would say that the AF is normal in standard conditions (on the slow side, but without any problem)
It's definitly slow in dim light but it will lock on focus in really dim lights wher many 3-4 years old DSLRs won't! This can be improved in EVF by enlarging the AF area to the max
It's only in macro mode where it can be really slow whichis obviously not a serious issue since this is usually not the kind of situation wher you expect very fast action.

For standard use AF is silent and adequate. And again, when it locks on in dim light it's absolutely sharp which is far to be the case in such conditions with my 5D (central sensor f2.8)

The sharpness seems incredible!
Guess I'll need some blur filter sometimes ! :-)

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Re: FUji Xpro1 discussion

Postby RobertF » Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:18 pm

I ment central sensor at f 2.8 !! the text editor had done some funny changes, apparently some prier for sun!
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Re: FUji Xpro1 discussion

Postby RobertF » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:42 pm

http://www.pbase.com/baobob/fuji_x_pro1_gallery

some new shots some of them with the stellar 60mm!
Enjoy

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Re: FUji Xpro1 discussion the foliage issue with X Pro1

Postby RobertF » Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:11 pm

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read. ... e=41905979

Just shows that foliage is really difficult for some cameras

Also shows that Fuji has seriously a trade off with the demosaicing algorithm of the Pro1
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Re: FUji Xpro1 discussion

Postby RobertF » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:51 pm

One of the problem that early users encountred with the X pro1 was some lack of support for RAW development
The bundled software Sylkipix in fact is quite good but the UI is not very convenient And, as it does not smear fiine details like ACR, it is prone to color bleeding.
I tried Helicon Filter 5 with the DCRAW engine and got marvellous results. No bleeding, no smearing, a bit more details than Silkypix, and globally amuch more comfortable workflow

below is a link:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read. ... e=42009348

of a comparison at 6400 ISO between the X Pro1 and the 5D3. You will see that the Fuji is on a par with the Canon, which is in perfect agreement with what Fuji is claiming. I don't know what is actually the future of the X Trans sensor but I can say that it works perfectly. In terms of IQ it's clear that it is the best (big) compact camera. Some hope that new zooms will allow a faster AF, to be more comfortable in action.
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Re: FUji Xpro1 discussion

Postby RobertF » Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:50 pm

I have updated FW of X Pro1 and the 3 XF lenses to FW 2.0
After testing rather intensively the camera, my observations are :
1/- AF is faster with all 3 lenses, but in normal light and contarst conditions tha camera was already decent, so the improvement, although noticeable, is not that fantastic as compared to the buzz on the web.... :-)
2/- BUT in dim light and low contrast, the camera is much faster; a comparison with my X100 shows that now all 3 lenses are definitly better
3/- Manual focus now is very good even in very dim light. very pleasant for macro
4/- The writing time is much sorter, I use RAW + Fine JPEG with an UHS card 32 Gb and before I had really to wait

My last remark is that all 3 lenses suffer from their low focus engines, this is the bottle neck, and the biggest is the lens, the slowest it is. That said the 60mm that was at pain quite often in bad condition is now very decent

In normal conditions the camera is globally more reactive, bit before it was already ok
Due to bad weather I had no chance to check for what I call the metering lag time, the time the camera hasitates even if the focus is locked (you can half press to avoid that, but in fast action that was unpleasant, a phenomenon that appears only in bright and contrasty light)

FW 3 is in the pipe to go with the zooms
Hope that Fuji will then at last implement choice of minimum speed for auto iso
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Re: FUji Xpro1 discussion

Postby RobertF » Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:02 am

Thx larry!
In the meantime I got all 3 lenses
Like you I find that FW 2 brought much more reactivity
It has improved AF wich was decent in normal light but slow in dim and low contrast light
But the big ++ are the absence of freezing when focusing with EVF, excellent MF and quick writing times, and the 60mm is now working normally in terms of speed
Since AF engines are rather slow as always it's better to prefocus to have a near excat distance before shooting

During my summer holidays I carried my 5D2 gear and the X100, just regretted my X pro at home, but then I would have need a moving truck...

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Re: FUji Xpro1 discussion

Postby RobertF » Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:58 pm

Finally the weather improved for 2 hrs and I had the opportunity to test outside all 3 lenses in high contrast situation
The "metering lag time" has disappeared
So now faster AF+no freezing screen+faster writing time+no metering lag makes the X pro1 much better for action photography
If you add the now excellent MF capability, the reactivity of the camera has been completely transformed
Globally an excellent FW update

Now just waiting for improved auto iso that should be easy enough Mr Fuji!
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